Comments on: Race to the bottom – European Employment Costs and the US https://uncoy.com/2005/04/race_to_the_bot.html (many) winters in vienna. theatre, dance, poetry. and some politics. Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:12:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Bushwick Bill https://uncoy.com/2005/04/race_to_the_bot.html/comment-page-1#comment-342 Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:33:13 +0000 http://uncoy.org/2005/04/race_to_the_bot.html#comment-342 Alec said:
“The slaves are still being brought in Bill. There is no idea of social justice or a labour shortage involved – they are just being brought in as a stick to beat the working man with.”

Oh, just to follow up on this, you can mark my words, if America ever decides to get its act together on the illegal immigration issue and start to deal with it, the same people like Alec who now criticize America for “importing slaves” when there is no labor shortage will criticize America for dealing with the problem, that is, deporting millions of Third Worlders. Mark my words. Because to the haters–the people like Alec for whom nothing America has done or will ever do is “good”–it will be just another tool with which to beat up on Americans. “Look at the evil Americans, expelling poor people who have committed no crimes other than to have crossed some “artificial” border! How evil those Americans are!”

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By: Bushwick Bill https://uncoy.com/2005/04/race_to_the_bot.html/comment-page-1#comment-341 Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:14:10 +0000 http://uncoy.org/2005/04/race_to_the_bot.html#comment-341 Alec said:
“The slaves are still being brought in Bill. There is no idea of social justice or a labour shortage involved – they are just being brought in as a stick to beat the working man with. You don’t want to work for $8 an hour? Well, I’ve got five guys here who’d be happy to have the job at $5/hour!

Figuratively speaking. The salaries depend on the field.”

They’re not slaves, not even figuratively speaking. These Third Worlders risk their lives and their life savings trying to reach the USA, and once here endure lives of squalor, because they now have food in their bellies, a roof over their heads, and can save money to send home to their families, or–worse for Americans–to save up to send for their families.

That said, no one wants to secure American borders more than I do. One reason I so loathe Geo. Bush is because he is completely unconcerned with the problem of illegal immigration. GW Bush is in the pocket of the businessmen who benefit from undocumented laborers, laborers to whom they can pay a fraction of what they’d have to pay American laborers–white or black–and for whom no benefits (read retirement and health care) are paid.

The problem is, the American Left wants these illegal immigrants to keep coming for reasons of their own. The American left hates traditional white America, and wants to see it killed off, and is doing it’s best to achieve that by transforming America into a Third World cesspool.

So the American working and middle class gets it from every direction, from the Right business class, who want cheap labor, and from the Left Marxists, who hate traditional America.

Alec
“You really haven’t addressed the macroeconomic questions raised in the original article though.”

I have to plead ignorance, because I don’t know what the solution is. I agree with you completely that each nation needs to manufacture, that no nation can be a “service only” economy. I sometimes use the analogy that America has to manufacture because otherwise, what will we all do, survive by delivering pizzas to each other? I think an American senator made the same point before me (Byrd of W. Virginia, perhaps), saying we can’t all do each other’s laundry. Every time I force myself to stroll through a Wal-Mart here in Middle America, I pick up items at random and look for place of manufacturer. Almost all of the “shit” available for purchase in Wal Mart–that most middle American of places–is manufactured in China. Is that sustainable? I don’t think so. What’s the answer? I have no friggin’ clue. Have you, Alec? If you do, please let me know, I’m very interested to find a way out of this ‘race to the bottom.”

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By: Alec https://uncoy.com/2005/04/race_to_the_bot.html/comment-page-1#comment-340 Wed, 08 Mar 2006 03:24:44 +0000 http://uncoy.org/2005/04/race_to_the_bot.html#comment-340 The slaves are still being brought in Bill. There is no idea of social justice or a labour shortage involved – they are just being brought in as a stick to beat the working man with. You don’t want to work for $8 an hour? Well, I’ve got five guys here who’d be happy to have the job at $5/hour!

Figuratively speaking. The salaries depend on the field.

You really haven’t addressed the macroeconomic questions raised in the original article though.

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By: Bushwick Bill https://uncoy.com/2005/04/race_to_the_bot.html/comment-page-1#comment-339 Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:58:01 +0000 http://uncoy.org/2005/04/race_to_the_bot.html#comment-339 America’s certainly not perfect. It’s not Utopia. Nor is it the Dystopia that you and other anti-Americans see it as. I view you anti-Americans as the mirror-image of those you hate. You give America no due for what is good about her, and seek to blame America for everything, just as your hated counterparts acknowledge no American mistakes.

Most of America’s social problems (high incarceration rates, perceived “rotten” schools, no national health insurance scheme) result from the large population of Third Worlders living in our midst. Granted, we did it to ourselves, by importing slaves (albeit under the approving eyes of our then colonial masters) who never shed their Third World ways, and now cause no end of social problems. This massive Third World population is a burden Europe never faced until recent decades, for you generally only tolerated slavery (and those who would be enslaved–Third Worlders) in your colonies, not in the mother countries. Foolishly, you Europeans decided after WWII that your economies needed additional workers, workers who could only come from the Third World. Now, Europe is being inundated with fecund Third Worlders. Your social problems will dwarf America’s in a matter of decades. It’s likely we’re witnessing the extinction of European peoples. You’ll pardon me for experiencing a little schadenfreude. All and all, I’m sad that Europe is being destroyed from within. But you can’t blame a guy for enjoying seeing Europe suffer and die from the same ills Europe so long accused America of. ha ha! Europe’s dying! ;) America will bury you.

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